The incredible story of a survivor who went through a ghetto three camps and two camps. He faced 6 times with death, Jorge Israel Klainman clarifies that: "The seventh miracle is to be here to tell all"
The issue is deservedly popular. He is seen in the movies, read in books, spoken of in the media, in schools, in churches and seminaries. But when one hears in person, when one is faced with an individual who was face to face with death, blood freezes, a lump in the throat is done and the tears accumulate. To Jorge Israel Klainman hands do not shake, voice does not break or loses track of reality. His story, same counts for two hours, explains with crystal clarity and an insatiable desire to make it known. With 87 years, he chose not to forget, but to remember. As Primo Levi did when he wrote "If This Is a Man," George wrote his incredible feat in a book that has already been translated into Hebrew, German, Polish, English, Spanish and soon in Italian: "The seventh miracle". There narrates his way through a ghetto, three concentration camps and two camps. After counting the dangers that threatened his life, things he had to do to survive and his confrontation with death on 6 occasions, Jorge explained that: "The seventh miracle is to be here to tell everything."
What was your family before the ghetto?
My father was a very wealthy man. It was the only slaughterhouse in the city of Kielce which had 200,000 inhabitants owner.
If his father was a person of great economic power why they ended up in the ghetto?
- My father put a spanner in the few months before the outbreak of the war and was imprisoned. My mother had to sell liberate our country house, which was next to the slaughterhouse. She sold everything and contract the best lawyer to get him out of jail. When he was released, the Polish government awarded him millions in compensation for lack of prosecution. But he was never charged because he had started the war. My brother and I were selling postcards to the Germans to support the family until we got into the ghetto.
How old were you when they were taken?
-I had 13 years and when I was released, 17.
When sending it to the ghettos. Did you do it with a promise of work?
-No. The Jews came to the ghetto because the Germans provoked pogroms. Then they began to take proclamations that were to inaugurate a section of the fenced city, where Jews had to go live. Once entered the ghetto it closed. Those who were physically fit to work were sent to the camps and the rest of the starved.
How were organized in the ghetto?
'The Germans did not take boys under 18 for work. I could join me for a selected group to work and as he was tall for my age, I managed to go underground. At one point, someone reported me. Then I joined another group of workers leaving the field. Thus I was saved. In the ghetto I was 7 months.
-¿ Which concentration camp came first?
-Prokocim. I was there about 4 months until denounced me. I survived the famine until March '43, which was when the order to liquidate all arrived.
How did you escape from that order?
-The Only ones who could leave were 4000 workers and each had a distinctive with their picture. The rest had to concentrate on the square. As knew from my previous experiences, what awaited them, got into the group of workers. But such was not distinctive, grabbed a ball of clothing and put it where I would have to have it. I was approaching the exit door, and when it was my turn, I froze. With the Nazi officer we locked eyes. I was waiting to take me out of the line. Instead, he shouted loudly in German: "Lauf Schnel" which means fast runs. I ran from the ghetto and joined the group of workers classified. It took 68 years, but until today I do not understand what happened. From there we went to Plaszow.
Remember -¿ some experience in the Plaszow camp?
I remember the worst. The commander was called Amon Goeth, a psychopathic murderer. His hobby was out on the terrace with its telescopic rifle hunt ducks are hunted prisoners. Twice a week is up at dawn and went to the big square. He wore his dress uniform and in his hand he carried a small whip. Passed through the ranks and after counting 9 of a fustazo pulled the tenth. When gathered 200 children sent them to a fenced field in the middle of the field and then had them all day. At sunset, take them to a small mountain whose summit was a pit and killed them there. In March 1944, I had to be the tenth. In front of me stopped, hit a fustazo and shouting, "Raus", meaning outside, pulled out. I joined my fellow 199 and after 10 hours of agony taken to the mountain. The last thing I remember was the sound of gunfire and fainted. I woke up lying on a cot, covered with blood. After a while, I was approached by a man wearing a white coat who said in Polish: "I am Professor Ullman, head of nursing, a while ago we found shot. In implementing today, the bullet rather than get you into the head you entered in the leg and the other bodies covered you. When prisoners arrived they realized you lived and you saved. Here is a boy who is dying, called Gutman, you take his place, your name was crossed off the list, so theoretically you exist no longer. "
How long were you in that situation?
- Professor Ullman, me kept hidden for 3 months until early August of '44. Then we were sent to Austria, to Mathaussen, where we were enlisted to work. In Mathaussen was a well 10 feet deep where rocks were removed. Our job was to go down the well and carrying rocks on man, up narrow stairs, cross the field and support in a row as had below. The passing test 30 days, sent to a satellite camp for normal work.
How did you manage to spend 30 the days?
- The next day after I arrived, I was standing in front of the rocks waiting for me to split the head with a rifle butt. Suddenly, I heard someone shouting in German: "Shit putzer, where do I come to find" putzer means cleaner. In Prokocim, my job was to clean the place where the guards slept. There, I met one end of the SS, sometimes secretly gave me an apple. He did not ask me anything, I took up a canyon where 50 prisoners with electric machines cut hair to others. What I had to do was raise the hairs and take them to tank. I worked 30 days and then I was sent to another camp called Melk. Then I went to Ebensse and May 5 '45, I freed the US military. He was 17 years old and weighed 29 kilos. After spending a month in the military hospital, I traveled to Italy, where there was a greater number of survivors, hoping to find there my family. I walked all refugee camps for two years and found no one.
- Where was after Italy?
- I decided to migrate to Argentina, the only country where I had one relative, my aunt who lived in Buenos Aires since 1923. On August 28, 1947 first stepped on Argentine soil.
- Is not gave a strange feeling knowing that let in a former Nazi commanders?
- When I arrived I did not know that. All I wanted was to meet my family and then travel to Israel. President Perón, had banned the entry of Jews to the country survivors, so I went clandestinely by Posadas. After a year, when he left an amnesty and I became an Argentine citizen, actually we knew that this was a cave Nazis. The world's most persecuted here found shelter and assistance.
- Its original name, Jorge Israel Klainman not seem originally from Poland. Will he changed it when you arrived?
- For Jorge ?. No, I had a cousin named Jorge who two days before my arrival was married, and when my aunt met me at the station, said: "My oldest son married before yesterday. Part of it is for you, but you'll call Jorge. So you're going to fill that gap and also this is a very anti-Semitic country, you should call Jorge and not Zrulek ("Israel" in Polish). The Jorge I stay stuck forever.
- A couple of years ago, a major representative of the Catholic Church demystified the Holocaust. How does it feel knowing that there are people who still believe?
- One only? They had hundreds of deniers. That motivated me to start talking. For 50 years I kept tight-lipped, to the point that neither my children or my wife, knew the whole truth. When I started listening to these criminals, said, "If I keep quiet, I work with them." So the first thing I did was write the book, send it to everyone to let people know. Then, I began to give talks and I think I turned, because among my books and lectures there are thousands of people who know the truth.
- For documents, pictures and videos that have the holocaust. Who were those filmed and recorded everything what purpose?
- There are lots of videos from the ghettos and camps, in times of performances, filmed by German soldiers themselves. For two reasons: either they are so inhuman that sought to take home for fun or because they fulfilled an order and want this to be known. Eisenhower, the commander of allied forces, was all he said as he entered the death camps: "Graben everything. Every detail, because otherwise no one will believe that this is true. They will say things are invented. "Thanks to that, there are documentaries that serve to show the truth, and so much so that Holocaust deniers already have gagged.
- These recordings, videos and testimony presented at the Nuremberg trial. Do you know where were left?
- Steven Spielberg after he made the film "Schindler's List", with the proceeds, built in Los Angeles, a bunker to test nuclear weapons. There are no survivors deposited videos: 6500 videos. Of these, 3 are filming in my house. I contacted him personally when my book was translated into English, and I told my agent from New Jersey to send him a book dedicated by me. I sent it and received a letter, I sustain to this day. He says: "George, Where were you two years ago ?. If you had sent your story, I was filming your movie and not "Schindler's List".
- When you return to Israel. What do you plan to do? Will you relax? Will you continue giving lectures?
- In Israel I gave talks in every school they called me, actively "to Yom Shoah" I participate - Day of the holocaust- and also try to encourage the sale of books. I have many in Hebrew that are still in the tank my representative of Israel, a little abandoned, because I'm here and nobody cares. So I have a lot of work still to do.
Traslation Belén Zapata